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one realizes very quickly we've been

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I had access to to all those programs

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40 feet long no windows no no real wings

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or control surfaces no obvious signs of

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propulsion and yet this object is

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witnessed Now by four separate

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individuals in two separate aircraft

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hey guys how's it going welcome back to

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the first show post Christmas I suppose

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I hope everyone's well and I hope you

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had a great holiday period so far I

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don't know if some of you are still

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enjoying your time off or not but yeah

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so we're here and we're here we're going

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to be talking about Earth lights tonight

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now this is something that uh is quite

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new to me um I've only been looking at

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it since my trip to Colombia at the

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start of 2022 so it's a whole different

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aspect of the phenomena that has taken

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up a lot of time for me and it's been

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really fascinating I'm currently reading

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this book here earthlight's Revelation

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by Paul Devereaux with David Clark as

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part of it as well so we can discuss

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parts of that but we're going to be

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looking at various cases but primarily

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focusing on one case the londondale

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lights which is uh an area not too far

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between Sheffield and Manchester

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um but we'll get into that but before

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that I'll just say please as always in

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the chat keep it polite calm cool

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collected all that good stuff

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um and let's not waste any more time

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guys thank you for all for being here

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and now I'd like to welcome

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again

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Dr David Clark Dave how are you fine

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yeah Merry Christmas yeah Merry

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Christmas are we still in Christmas or

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midwinter Solstice whatever you want to

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it's just hassle yeah on the 12th night

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Vinnie no I know but look if you take it

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down too early well maybe no presents

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for me next year then

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but listen thank you so much as always

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for being here I really do appreciate it

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um you always give a good insight into

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the conversations that we have so I

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think before I asked my first question I

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just you know I've been looking into

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for getting on for a year now and

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there's a lot out there to look at

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um but Paul devere the book that I just

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showed you know he's obviously been at

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the Forefront of this for a long time

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and I just want to read a little quote

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that I I found that of his that kind of

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doesn't cover it all but it resonated a

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bit with me so it says what are Earth

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suggesting magnetic fields that are

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impression that the Sea of electrons was

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old newspapers and magazines and he'd

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small book about it recently but that

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stories the more I looked into the

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folklore of mysterious lights and I I

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infected with like a luminous fungus

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mysterious moving lives of what they

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the most bizarre but they shook but you

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bizarre explanations that people come up

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the research that I'd um published and

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people were going to ancient stone

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they were based and they'd found all

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these weird magnetic anomalies so Paul

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at that time was working on this Theory

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geologists into what was known as the

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piezoelectric effect and this was

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some of the footage where um in in

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Laboratories where they've crushed

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quartz bearing rock and all these lights

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laboratory now if that is happening

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um in the landscape where you've got

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massive um Earth movements you've got um

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faults in the Earth's crust you've got

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many earthquakes going on so the thing

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the idea is is that this is what is

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creating some of these mysterious lights

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yeah and Paul you know he does present

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all of these different theories still in

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his books and his work and it just does

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seem to be that across all these more

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known cases like Hess darling and and

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things that they still haven't sort of

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a hundred percent conclusions on what

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these things are and I think I find that

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really fascinating that it's been

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actually been studied by scientists but

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still little is known about it and you

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sorry I wanted to show this is that Paul

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across about strange lights and sacred

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sites which if I just share my screen

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so if you read through this this is it's

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a really really detailed article and it

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in the description of the YouTube video

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below but

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yeah Paul's work it's just incredible

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that was more and more local to this

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was published early in 1980s and again I

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must have read that when it was

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published and that would have been about

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1982-83

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so I could all these different things

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were coming together in my mind and then

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um I was involved in this um

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um a group in West Yorkshire UFO group

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but we got more and more interested in

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collecting these stories about these

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Earth lights and we did a what was known

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as project penine where we did lots of

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archive research we went we looked in

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all the sort of local archives for for

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these kinds of stories collected a lot

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of stuff together did lots of interviews

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with people this is how I came across

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the londondale lights and then Paul

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um used all the material that we

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gathered and there's a whole chapter in

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Earthwise Revelation on Project Penang

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where we look at all the different areas

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of the north of England where there are

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these long Traditions

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um of these mysterious lights that go

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way back into folklore

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um so you get stories about witchcraft

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you get stories about Willa the Wisps

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you get stories about

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um ghosts and Phantoms but when you

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actually dig down into what how these

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stories originated what was it that

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people were seeing usually it's just

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weird balls of light and mysterious

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light from another people have seen them

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they were they were describing what they

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saw in the the the the language of the

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era because this is way before

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um UFOs flying sources any of these

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modern terms so they used

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um traditional

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um folklore to to describe what it was

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that they'd experience and some people

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described what they'd seen as like in

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terms of like fairy beliefs you know

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fairies rings of dancing fairies that

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kind of thing other people described it

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as one of the Wisps but ultimately what

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people were seeing was was some kind of

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luminous phenomena

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UAP we would call it today yeah I'd say

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it's just a sign of the times and what

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they label it as I suppose

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fascinating I've got a great question

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here from Elena

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do you have any theories about the

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varying color shifts and their potential

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cause or purpose yeah that's that yeah

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it's because there are so many different

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colors involved in in these um in these

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uh reports um

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I think the um the the the the theories

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about them being created by Marsh gas

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um which is um

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caused by

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um methane bubbling out of um

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um ponds and areas where you've got

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decaying

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um vegetable and animal matter I think

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there's this the colors there are

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supposed to be green and red that people

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see but you also get accounts of of

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white lights like motorcycle headlights

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is a very common description in some of

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these um stories and and there's

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sometimes particularly in America

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they're described as spooked lights yeah

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um so you've got a comment you've got

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ghost light spook lights Willow The

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Whisper every color

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um in the Spectrum has been reported

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um from different parts of the world and

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this came into the um the business with

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the londondale lights because of that

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being like a mountainous area where

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you've got um different Mountain rescue

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teams who are responsible for

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um responding to calls people in

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distress and I remember interviewing the

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the the rescue team leader Phil Shaw

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back in the 1990s and he was saying that

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um if you if you you're if you're out on

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the Moors and you're part of the hiking

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party or somebody who's bivvying out out

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there that if you were in distress and

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you needed rescuing there's a people

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would normally write off a flair and it

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would be a red flare that's what they

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would be expecting

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um to receive a report about but he said

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the reports of these londondale lights

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they were never read they were always

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sort of green or blue or something like

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that which is something people lost on

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the Moors who had flares would not be

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let not be firing off

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so the color thing is a real puzzle it

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is because you mentioned like the

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Masters and things but and then you went

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on to the mountainous and you know

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hairstyle and for example no not really

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any marshes it's cold and desolate and

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probably you know high and same in

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Colombia where we were and the lights

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there we saw

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predominantly white lights like you said

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the motorcycle headlight but with a bit

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of red and blue which you know some

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people will

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see that as like redshift and blue shift

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which is

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getting into a whole different realm of

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uh physics and stuff maybe but let's

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let's you know you mentioned long Dell

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let's jump into into londondale because

401
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this is kind of the really interesting

402
00:15:58,009 --> 00:15:55,860
case we're going to talk about so where

403
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do we start with that and please tell me

404
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to bring up any of the images and stuff

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as well well um the londondale thing

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came

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um as a result of doing the work on

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Project Penang because I think what

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happened was there was a there's a group

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team of about three of us again I've

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said this before I've always been

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involved in my little teams of people

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who've sort of done this kind of

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research and I think it was um Andy

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Roberts and Martin Douglas

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we worked on this project Penang thing

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we wrote off

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um to all the mountain rescue teams in

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the north of England saying have you

420
00:16:37,009 --> 00:16:33,720
ever been called out to um report some

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mysterious lies you know that

422
00:16:42,410 --> 00:16:39,779
you were reported to you via the police

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as people in distress and but turned out

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to be not

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um not rescue um incidents or or

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accidents or things like that and the

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the team that came back straight away

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00:16:56,629 --> 00:16:54,660
was the glossent one saying yes and

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we've got a whole log of incidents going

430
00:17:00,889 --> 00:16:59,399
back to the 1960s or 70s of these things

431
00:17:03,710 --> 00:17:00,899
that are called the londondale lights

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00:17:06,169 --> 00:17:03,720
and like you've been here I mean at the

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00:17:08,329 --> 00:17:06,179
time I mean I was pretty well versed in

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00:17:10,789 --> 00:17:08,339
all the sort of UFO sightings and ghosts

435
00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:10,799
that stuff from from this area Chef

436
00:17:16,189 --> 00:17:12,959
between Sheffield and Manchester but I'd

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00:17:18,110 --> 00:17:16,199
never heard of this so I just I I then

438
00:17:20,750 --> 00:17:18,120
sort of spend a lot of time doing field

439
00:17:23,150 --> 00:17:20,760
work in that um in that area and it's

440
00:17:25,370 --> 00:17:23,160
not I've described it as removed but

441
00:17:27,650 --> 00:17:25,380
it's not really remote in in sort of

442
00:17:28,990 --> 00:17:27,660
North American Standards yeah no

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00:17:31,730 --> 00:17:29,000
absolutely

444
00:17:33,890 --> 00:17:31,740
it's I mean anyone who knows the north

445
00:17:35,810 --> 00:17:33,900
of England is

446
00:17:37,370 --> 00:17:35,820
the two big cities of Sheffield and

447
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Manchester I mean literally like 30

448
00:17:41,690 --> 00:17:39,539
miles apart but you've got the Peak

449
00:17:44,750 --> 00:17:41,700
District National Park which was

450
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the very first national park

451
00:17:48,529 --> 00:17:46,860
um to be declared a national park in

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England and I think that was in the

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00:17:53,330 --> 00:17:51,360
1950s so even though you've got these

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two massive cities with millions of

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people on either side the bit in between

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00:18:01,250 --> 00:17:58,039
particularly that zone

457
00:18:03,590 --> 00:18:01,260
up on the snake pass as it's called and

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00:18:05,630 --> 00:18:03,600
where you've got Kinder Scout

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00:18:07,669 --> 00:18:05,640
um bleethlow and blackhill which are all

460
00:18:10,549 --> 00:18:07,679
sort of like big sort of peak covered

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00:18:12,470 --> 00:18:10,559
mountains and they've just got tiny

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00:18:13,970 --> 00:18:12,480
little roads that sort of Link Sheffield

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in Manchester

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one of which is known as the snake pass

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which goes right over the top of the

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Moors and then there's another one

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called Woodhead which is sort of not

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really a Motorway but it's the nearest

469
00:18:28,970 --> 00:18:26,280
we've got to a proper dual carriageway

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00:18:30,470 --> 00:18:28,980
link in the two cities and as it drops

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into Manchester you go into the

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londondale valley and there's like all

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these

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um reservoirs in the bottom electricity

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pylons and although you're driving into

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a really populous area there's very very

477
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few people who actually live in

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londondale I think there's you know no

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more than a couple of hundred people and

480
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they're mainly sort of farmers these are

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sort of really Upland mall and um Farms

482
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where you've you've got very few people

483
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and apart from the traffic that's going

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00:19:00,110 --> 00:18:58,140
backwards and forwards there's not all

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that many people around at night and

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00:19:04,669 --> 00:19:01,679
there's certainly no one up on the top

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00:19:06,409 --> 00:19:04,679
of the Moors and if you do go up hiking

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as I've done

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um many many times

490
00:19:12,230 --> 00:19:09,960
um during the um the course of the year

491
00:19:14,630 --> 00:19:12,240
when you get up onto the top of Kinder

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scale and bleep low you would not think

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00:19:19,490 --> 00:19:17,700
you were 30 miles from Sheffield or from

494
00:19:21,409 --> 00:19:19,500
the center of Manchester you could be in

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the middle of that nowhere

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00:19:27,169 --> 00:19:24,120
you know you'll see you'll see hikers

497
00:19:29,510 --> 00:19:27,179
and climbers but um very very few people

498
00:19:31,490 --> 00:19:29,520
you you could be you could be in the

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00:19:33,289 --> 00:19:31,500
middle of Scotland or anywhere yeah

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00:19:35,570 --> 00:19:33,299
absolutely I'm just going to bring up

501
00:19:37,549 --> 00:19:35,580
this image which uh is the the London

502
00:19:39,950 --> 00:19:37,559
Trail is kind of where you can hike but

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00:19:42,289 --> 00:19:39,960
this image is a sign showing the path

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00:19:44,029 --> 00:19:42,299
and it kind of gives an idea of

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00:19:47,049 --> 00:19:44,039
of what you're talking about so you've

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kind of got this long thin yeah you know

507
00:19:52,010 --> 00:19:49,260
Reservoir with it's kind of the two

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00:19:54,230 --> 00:19:52,020
peaks coming up either side here

509
00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:54,240
so you know that's where the lights have

510
00:20:01,010 --> 00:19:56,400
been seen is that right yeah the the

511
00:20:04,250 --> 00:20:01,020
lights are mainly seen on the South Side

512
00:20:06,289 --> 00:20:04,260
um of londondale so you've got um the

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00:20:09,169 --> 00:20:06,299
what's known as the bleaklow Massif

514
00:20:10,789 --> 00:20:09,179
which is a huge this huge area

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00:20:13,010 --> 00:20:10,799
um down at the the bottom right hand

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00:20:17,210 --> 00:20:13,020
corner of this map you're showing there

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00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:17,220
and the um it's um it's it's like

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00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:18,960
walking in chocolate cake when you're on

519
00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:20,480
the top

520
00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:23,039
there's nothing there but there is um

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00:20:27,890 --> 00:20:25,919
there is a large Mound known as tourside

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00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:27,900
Castle which is thought to be um some

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00:20:33,230 --> 00:20:30,720
kind of burial mound or Barrow and it's

524
00:20:35,330 --> 00:20:33,240
quite interesting that when these

525
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:35,340
um sightings have been caught have been

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00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:37,679
sort of um plotted on a map they all

527
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:39,360
seem to congregate in this area around

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00:20:44,750 --> 00:20:41,520
tourside castle and there's like a big

529
00:20:46,490 --> 00:20:44,760
Rocky Edge that you can see from the

530
00:20:48,650 --> 00:20:46,500
bottom of the valley called Brahma Edge

531
00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:48,660
an interestingly because you find a lot

532
00:20:51,950 --> 00:20:50,400
of these stories

533
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:51,960
um turning up in local place names

534
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:54,000
there's actually an area called shining

535
00:20:57,169 --> 00:20:54,960
cloth

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00:20:58,850 --> 00:20:57,179
which is really interesting because this

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00:21:01,909 --> 00:20:58,860
is where some of these lights have been

538
00:21:05,390 --> 00:21:01,919
seen and I interviewed a guy called Sean

539
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:05,400
wood who is a teacher and a musician and

540
00:21:11,570 --> 00:21:08,400
he lives in a um a real big Gothic house

541
00:21:14,570 --> 00:21:11,580
called um Bleak House which is very very

542
00:21:16,370 --> 00:21:14,580
Bleak and it's as you're dropping into

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00:21:18,370 --> 00:21:16,380
um the main part of the valley near the

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00:21:20,750 --> 00:21:18,380
near the um where the tour side

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Reservoir is

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00:21:25,789 --> 00:21:23,100
um and he's lived there in this quite

547
00:21:28,130 --> 00:21:25,799
isolated built um building for something

548
00:21:31,610 --> 00:21:28,140
like 15 or 20 years

549
00:21:32,450 --> 00:21:31,620
and um I remember him saying that he

550
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:32,460
didn't know anything about the

551
00:21:37,610 --> 00:21:34,559
londondale lights and he want one night

552
00:21:39,710 --> 00:21:37,620
winter night he was um he was sat in the

553
00:21:42,289 --> 00:21:39,720
in the back room and the main window's

554
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:42,299
face shining cloth and Brahma Ridge and

555
00:21:47,690 --> 00:21:45,120
he he kept seeing this light shining

556
00:21:49,549 --> 00:21:47,700
through the window and he thought it was

557
00:21:51,710 --> 00:21:49,559
someone playing a prank in that he was

558
00:21:54,890 --> 00:21:51,720
someone who stopped by the side of this

559
00:21:56,330 --> 00:21:54,900
really busy road and and and somehow

560
00:21:58,970 --> 00:21:56,340
managed to get to the front of his house

561
00:22:01,010 --> 00:21:58,980
and was shining a torch you know some

562
00:22:02,149 --> 00:22:01,020
some kind of prank and he went out and

563
00:22:05,450 --> 00:22:02,159
looked through the window and there's

564
00:22:07,730 --> 00:22:05,460
this massive ball of light hovering over

565
00:22:09,950 --> 00:22:07,740
the um the hillside opposite

566
00:22:11,810 --> 00:22:09,960
and he went outside looked at it

567
00:22:14,570 --> 00:22:11,820
couldn't believe his eyes and his next

568
00:22:17,630 --> 00:22:14,580
door neighbors this is how isolated he

569
00:22:20,570 --> 00:22:17,640
was was the the youth hostel at crowden

570
00:22:23,690 --> 00:22:20,580
which is about three or four miles down

571
00:22:25,490 --> 00:22:23,700
the valley so wow um they were his neck

572
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:25,500
mere neighbors there was no one else

573
00:22:29,210 --> 00:22:27,120
other than Farmers living anywhere near

574
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:29,220
so he phoned up the crowd and youth

575
00:22:33,890 --> 00:22:32,400
hostel and spoke to um the manager there

576
00:22:36,289 --> 00:22:33,900
and this person said yeah we're all

577
00:22:39,710 --> 00:22:36,299
outside watching it as well what is it

578
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:39,720
so that was the first time he'd seen the

579
00:22:45,289 --> 00:22:42,000
London Dale lives and since then I think

580
00:22:48,350 --> 00:22:45,299
over a 20 year period he's seen them I

581
00:22:50,330 --> 00:22:48,360
don't know 30 or 40 times but

582
00:22:52,250 --> 00:22:50,340
um every time the difference because

583
00:22:54,169 --> 00:22:52,260
sometimes it's like a Searchlight coming

584
00:22:57,230 --> 00:22:54,179
out of the hillside at other times it's

585
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:57,240
like a string of moving lights

586
00:23:01,370 --> 00:22:59,039
um sometimes it's just like one light

587
00:23:03,230 --> 00:23:01,380
that rises from the ground and this this

588
00:23:04,730 --> 00:23:03,240
is why

589
00:23:05,930 --> 00:23:04,740
um the Mountain Rescue Team have been

590
00:23:08,450 --> 00:23:05,940
involved because people who are

591
00:23:11,210 --> 00:23:08,460
unfamiliar with the area and don't know

592
00:23:12,890 --> 00:23:11,220
the legend of the londondale lights

593
00:23:15,529 --> 00:23:12,900
um they see a light on the hillside

594
00:23:17,570 --> 00:23:15,539
which they think is that someone in

595
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:17,580
distress is it uh as it is it an

596
00:23:22,370 --> 00:23:20,400
aircraft that's crashed is it someone

597
00:23:25,010 --> 00:23:22,380
that's lost that's sending up distress

598
00:23:26,570 --> 00:23:25,020
flares so they've phoned the police and

599
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:26,580
of course the police then call Mountain

600
00:23:30,289 --> 00:23:28,320
Rescue

601
00:23:32,570 --> 00:23:30,299
um mounting rescue teams have been up

602
00:23:36,110 --> 00:23:32,580
there dozens of times

603
00:23:37,730 --> 00:23:36,120
um looking for um any any trace of

604
00:23:38,990 --> 00:23:37,740
um people in distress and they've never

605
00:23:41,330 --> 00:23:39,000
found anyone

606
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:41,340
so it's a continuing mystery and this

607
00:23:44,930 --> 00:23:43,440
has been going on since at least the

608
00:23:47,330 --> 00:23:44,940
1950s

609
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:47,340
yeah and we've got some old newspaper

610
00:23:51,950 --> 00:23:49,679
clippings here oh I've noticed one here

611
00:23:53,270 --> 00:23:51,960
which didn't have a year

612
00:23:54,529 --> 00:23:53,280
there's one there that's actually got a

613
00:23:56,990 --> 00:23:54,539
picture of shining cloth but it's

614
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:57,000
looking at the 1972 one first yeah now

615
00:23:59,930 --> 00:23:58,799
this is the one that really fascinated

616
00:24:03,830 --> 00:23:59,940
me

617
00:24:06,110 --> 00:24:03,840
we were doing the archive research

618
00:24:09,529 --> 00:24:06,120
and yeah this was an account that was

619
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:09,539
published in um the newsletter of peak

620
00:24:13,549 --> 00:24:11,520
National Park then

621
00:24:16,190 --> 00:24:13,559
Peak National Park was only created in

622
00:24:18,830 --> 00:24:16,200
the 1950s and the the youth hostel that

623
00:24:22,250 --> 00:24:18,840
I mentioned uh crowden that was only

624
00:24:25,010 --> 00:24:22,260
built in I think 1968

625
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,020
um and um one of the first Peak part

626
00:24:30,409 --> 00:24:27,360
wardens who covered this area was a guy

627
00:24:32,330 --> 00:24:30,419
called Ken drabble and his wife at the

628
00:24:34,190 --> 00:24:32,340
time Margaret drabble

629
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:34,200
um they were living at crowden youth

630
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:36,960
hostel and she was a teacher and she

631
00:24:42,049 --> 00:24:40,080
used to drive back from West Yorkshire

632
00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:42,059
right over the top of the Moors there's

633
00:24:47,630 --> 00:24:44,760
a big repeater television aerial called

634
00:24:52,010 --> 00:24:47,640
home home Moss so she'd drive over this

635
00:24:54,110 --> 00:24:52,020
lonely home Moss Road and drop down into

636
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:54,120
um londondale and one night and this was

637
00:24:59,450 --> 00:24:57,600
in the summer of 1970

638
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:59,460
um she was driving I'm just reading her

639
00:25:03,710 --> 00:25:01,200
account from this story now she was

640
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:03,720
driving alongside the reservoirs

641
00:25:09,470 --> 00:25:06,720
of the tin twistle to Woodhead Road late

642
00:25:11,930 --> 00:25:09,480
on this July night and it was a really

643
00:25:13,850 --> 00:25:11,940
warm summer night

644
00:25:16,370 --> 00:25:13,860
um dark and she was driving with the

645
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:16,380
windows of a car wound down and she says

646
00:25:20,570 --> 00:25:18,000
there was a really good Moon it was very

647
00:25:22,850 --> 00:25:20,580
warm I had the car windows open and

648
00:25:25,310 --> 00:25:22,860
suddenly she saw this light come from

649
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:25,320
the top of bleakler and she said it lit

650
00:25:31,370 --> 00:25:28,559
the whole valley for a couple of miles

651
00:25:33,529 --> 00:25:31,380
um and it it was so bright she was able

652
00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:33,539
to turn the headlights of a car off and

653
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:35,460
drive as if it was in daylight and this

654
00:25:40,490 --> 00:25:38,880
was like 11 12 at night midnight after

655
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:40,500
midnight

656
00:25:44,090 --> 00:25:42,960
um but then as she was as she drove into

657
00:25:48,490 --> 00:25:44,100
it

658
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:48,500
like um and almost like driving into a

659
00:25:55,370 --> 00:25:53,279
like a white beam of lie and she says

660
00:25:57,230 --> 00:25:55,380
that the the air turned cold and she had

661
00:25:59,690 --> 00:25:57,240
to wind the windows up even though it

662
00:26:02,269 --> 00:25:59,700
was July it should absolutely terrified

663
00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:02,279
and she said she could see every sort of

664
00:26:06,350 --> 00:26:04,740
every sort of detail of the mountains in

665
00:26:08,510 --> 00:26:06,360
the distance

666
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:08,520
um pin pinpointed and you know she could

667
00:26:12,110 --> 00:26:11,039
sort of see it really really clearly

668
00:26:14,210 --> 00:26:12,120
um

669
00:26:15,950 --> 00:26:14,220
and she drove down to the youth hostel

670
00:26:17,930 --> 00:26:15,960
told the people there about it and their

671
00:26:19,730 --> 00:26:17,940
husband and she said afterwards she

672
00:26:21,470 --> 00:26:19,740
asked some of the local farmers if

673
00:26:23,149 --> 00:26:21,480
they'd seen anything and she said they

674
00:26:26,029 --> 00:26:23,159
were really reluctant to talk about it

675
00:26:27,710 --> 00:26:26,039
but she got the impression that they did

676
00:26:30,769 --> 00:26:27,720
know something

677
00:26:33,710 --> 00:26:30,779
um so about a year later

678
00:26:36,289 --> 00:26:33,720
um all the people at the crowden youth

679
00:26:38,810 --> 00:26:36,299
hostel saw a very similar light

680
00:26:40,970 --> 00:26:38,820
from streaming across the valley and

681
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:40,980
they all went out and they thought it um

682
00:26:45,049 --> 00:26:43,440
again they thought it might have been an

683
00:26:46,610 --> 00:26:45,059
aircraft that had crashed on the top of

684
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:46,620
the mountain

685
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:47,760
um so

686
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:50,400
um Barbara drabble's husband Ken who was

687
00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:52,559
the chief Peak part Warden was actually

688
00:26:58,430 --> 00:26:55,500
there and he saw the light and he

689
00:27:00,409 --> 00:26:58,440
thought well we'll go up and he got he

690
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:00,419
got in a Land Rover and he got these

691
00:27:05,570 --> 00:27:03,600
massive gas-powered searchlights

692
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:05,580
um went up there on the more took a team

693
00:27:08,510 --> 00:27:06,960
with him

694
00:27:10,669 --> 00:27:08,520
um when they got onto the Moor they had

695
00:27:12,649 --> 00:27:10,679
these search lights on searching around

696
00:27:15,169 --> 00:27:12,659
to see if they could find something and

697
00:27:17,390 --> 00:27:15,179
he and he was in radio contact with the

698
00:27:19,250 --> 00:27:17,400
people down in the valley and they said

699
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:19,260
that the searchlights that he was using

700
00:27:21,950 --> 00:27:21,120
were just like a little pinpoint of

701
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:21,960
light

702
00:27:26,750 --> 00:27:23,760
seen from the valley and yet this

703
00:27:27,890 --> 00:27:26,760
mysterious lie and absolutely filled the

704
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:27,900
entire Valley

705
00:27:33,890 --> 00:27:30,799
so it was like completely inexplicable

706
00:27:37,130 --> 00:27:33,900
and after that

707
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:37,140
um Barbara then went uh and spoke to

708
00:27:40,190 --> 00:27:38,640
some of the people in the valley again

709
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:40,200
some of the farmers and they did

710
00:27:45,289 --> 00:27:43,200
actually admit that yes they had seen it

711
00:27:48,350 --> 00:27:45,299
that it came regular they didn't know

712
00:27:50,029 --> 00:27:48,360
what it was something Supernatural and

713
00:27:52,370 --> 00:27:50,039
that it caused

714
00:27:54,649 --> 00:27:52,380
um ice to form when it came in the

715
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:54,659
summer and that they'd lost some of

716
00:27:58,909 --> 00:27:55,919
these Farmers had actually lost

717
00:28:00,649 --> 00:27:58,919
livestock that sheep had been frozen by

718
00:28:02,390 --> 00:28:00,659
this mysterious light when he came and

719
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:02,400
but they were really reluctant to talk

720
00:28:07,250 --> 00:28:05,520
about it so I remember interviewing

721
00:28:10,010 --> 00:28:07,260
Barbara

722
00:28:12,289 --> 00:28:10,020
um and Sean wood and Michael aspel

723
00:28:14,390 --> 00:28:12,299
um did a program on this in which I was

724
00:28:16,130 --> 00:28:14,400
interviewed and they interviewed Ken

725
00:28:18,590 --> 00:28:16,140
drabble they interviewed Barbara drabble

726
00:28:20,930 --> 00:28:18,600
and it was part of a series that was

727
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,940
shown strange but true I think it was

728
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:22,799
called in the 1990s

729
00:28:26,269 --> 00:28:24,960
um yeah which may be findable somewhere

730
00:28:27,890 --> 00:28:26,279
online

731
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:27,900
but it was one of the most mysterious

732
00:28:32,990 --> 00:28:30,960
things that I've ever

733
00:28:34,730 --> 00:28:33,000
um investigated and I've investigated as

734
00:28:38,570 --> 00:28:34,740
you know some very mysterious things

735
00:28:41,450 --> 00:28:38,580
yeah absolutely to me

736
00:28:44,450 --> 00:28:41,460
um it's classic earthlight

737
00:28:46,250 --> 00:28:44,460
and and that whole valley is heavily

738
00:28:48,409 --> 00:28:46,260
faltered and you've got all the sorts of

739
00:28:50,810 --> 00:28:48,419
quartz rock and the the sort of

740
00:28:53,450 --> 00:28:50,820
conditions described

741
00:28:55,490 --> 00:28:53,460
um in the research has been the sort of

742
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:55,500
thing the perfect conditions where you

743
00:29:00,110 --> 00:28:57,840
would expect these kinds of Lights to

744
00:29:02,750 --> 00:29:00,120
occur and the Very fact that

745
00:29:05,390 --> 00:29:02,760
um it only happens occasionally you know

746
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:05,400
you'll get like an outbreak where people

747
00:29:09,710 --> 00:29:07,679
will see things relatively regularly

748
00:29:11,390 --> 00:29:09,720
maybe just once or twice a year but

749
00:29:13,549 --> 00:29:11,400
they'll see it regularly for a period of

750
00:29:17,090 --> 00:29:13,559
time and then there'll be nothing for 20

751
00:29:19,490 --> 00:29:17,100
or 30 years and then maybe there'll be a

752
00:29:21,529 --> 00:29:19,500
few sightings again and Paul deveraux's

753
00:29:23,330 --> 00:29:21,539
theory is that that's because what

754
00:29:24,529 --> 00:29:23,340
you've got is like a buildup of sort of

755
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:24,539
tension

756
00:29:29,690 --> 00:29:27,840
in um in the geology and rather than

757
00:29:31,310 --> 00:29:29,700
having a full-scale earthquake where all

758
00:29:33,950 --> 00:29:31,320
this energy is dissipated really quickly

759
00:29:36,830 --> 00:29:33,960
what you're getting is a slow release of

760
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:36,840
energy and maybe electrons are sort of I

761
00:29:40,010 --> 00:29:37,679
don't know

762
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:40,020
um interacting with the landscape with

763
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:42,000
water with the reservoirs because

764
00:29:45,950 --> 00:29:43,919
obviously if the reservoirs are full

765
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:45,960
you've got more tension on the geology

766
00:29:50,029 --> 00:29:49,200
who knows but it's it's an intriguing

767
00:29:52,130 --> 00:29:50,039
story

768
00:29:53,450 --> 00:29:52,140
definitely I'm just going to highlight a

769
00:29:55,610 --> 00:29:53,460
couple of comments Here Andrew Clark

770
00:29:57,409 --> 00:29:55,620
just said strange but true is on YouTube

771
00:30:00,289 --> 00:29:57,419
I was watching the long Lindell lights

772
00:30:03,769 --> 00:30:00,299
episode earlier today right I'm gonna

773
00:30:06,409 --> 00:30:03,779
take a link to that yeah I'd love to see

774
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,419
it again please like DM me on Instagram

775
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:08,399
or Twitter all the links are in in the

776
00:30:12,529 --> 00:30:10,799
description I'd love to find that uh I'd

777
00:30:13,850 --> 00:30:12,539
really appreciate that

778
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:13,860
um I've got a couple of questions here

779
00:30:17,630 --> 00:30:16,080
Karen Karen Alexander says have there

780
00:30:20,210 --> 00:30:17,640
been any reports of this classification

781
00:30:22,190 --> 00:30:20,220
of Lights affecting Machinery such as

782
00:30:24,110 --> 00:30:22,200
cars or tractors

783
00:30:26,210 --> 00:30:24,120
um yeah I think there are I think if you

784
00:30:28,130 --> 00:30:26,220
read um earthlights there are some

785
00:30:29,810 --> 00:30:28,140
examples of of people saying that

786
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:29,820
engines have cut out that kind of thing

787
00:30:35,210 --> 00:30:31,679
the sort of thing that um known as car

788
00:30:36,409 --> 00:30:35,220
stops in the ufology yeah yeah um but

789
00:30:38,210 --> 00:30:36,419
again

790
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:38,220
um the thing about that is

791
00:30:40,970 --> 00:30:39,120
um

792
00:30:43,850 --> 00:30:40,980
there is a

793
00:30:45,710 --> 00:30:43,860
um a possibility that in some of these

794
00:30:48,649 --> 00:30:45,720
cases if you were confronted by

795
00:30:51,289 --> 00:30:48,659
something like one of these bizarre

796
00:30:54,110 --> 00:30:51,299
light phenomena you would be so shocked

797
00:30:58,130 --> 00:30:54,120
and so taken aback that maybe you know

798
00:31:00,289 --> 00:30:58,140
you you stole the car so if or you the

799
00:31:02,149 --> 00:31:00,299
ignition had you know quite naturally

800
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:02,159
I've done this myself and I've seen

801
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:04,799
something unfamiliar and oh my God you

802
00:31:08,690 --> 00:31:06,960
know the cars stopped how would you know

803
00:31:11,149 --> 00:31:08,700
whether that was something that had been

804
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:11,159
caused externally or as a result of your

805
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:12,799
own actions because you're in this

806
00:31:17,389 --> 00:31:15,360
unfamiliar situation

807
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:17,399
yeah but I don't I don't think Barbara

808
00:31:22,250 --> 00:31:20,399
drabble was suggesting that her car

809
00:31:23,930 --> 00:31:22,260
um lost energy or anything like that or

810
00:31:24,769 --> 00:31:23,940
the engine cut out when she saw this

811
00:31:26,510 --> 00:31:24,779
thing

812
00:31:28,730 --> 00:31:26,520
I think what really stands out in that

813
00:31:30,769 --> 00:31:28,740
story I mean there's many things but the

814
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:30,779
the fact that the lights were cold and

815
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:32,880
formed ice whereas if you think of

816
00:31:36,889 --> 00:31:35,039
plasma I mean I mean

817
00:31:38,990 --> 00:31:36,899
I'm not a scientist I hate to tell

818
00:31:41,389 --> 00:31:39,000
everyone but you'd all I'd associate

819
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,399
heat with plasma you know a build of you

820
00:31:45,230 --> 00:31:43,440
know so that's really bizarre that but

821
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:45,240
there is a thing called cold plasma

822
00:31:49,310 --> 00:31:46,640
Apparently

823
00:31:51,470 --> 00:31:49,320
one of the theories that um I read

824
00:31:53,149 --> 00:31:51,480
recently and I think I put it in the 14

825
00:31:55,549 --> 00:31:53,159
Times article

826
00:31:57,409 --> 00:31:55,559
that I wrote on the um the lights in

827
00:32:00,350 --> 00:31:57,419
Colombia there was a get there was I

828
00:32:01,850 --> 00:32:00,360
think it's a scientist from Italy who's

829
00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:01,860
come up with this really elaborate

830
00:32:06,590 --> 00:32:04,200
theory about Hess darling

831
00:32:09,470 --> 00:32:06,600
um all linking the geology of the valley

832
00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:09,480
and in that he he's convinced that the

833
00:32:14,210 --> 00:32:11,640
hesterlin valley forms like a natural

834
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:14,220
battery in the you I don't I'm not a

835
00:32:19,070 --> 00:32:16,799
physicist I don't understand this but

836
00:32:20,750 --> 00:32:19,080
um there's certain kinds of rocks in one

837
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:20,760
side of the valley they interact with

838
00:32:24,409 --> 00:32:22,320
rocks on the other side of the valley

839
00:32:26,810 --> 00:32:24,419
and you've got like a river with copper

840
00:32:29,090 --> 00:32:26,820
deposits in it and it effectively

841
00:32:31,850 --> 00:32:29,100
creates a battery which creates light

842
00:32:34,669 --> 00:32:31,860
and he's actually experimented and been

843
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,679
able to light a um um a small

844
00:32:38,570 --> 00:32:36,720
electricity bulb

845
00:32:41,230 --> 00:32:38,580
um using this sort of battery effect in

846
00:32:43,130 --> 00:32:41,240
hair style and so who knows

847
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:43,140
that's interesting because that

848
00:32:46,490 --> 00:32:44,640
resonates with what we looked at in

849
00:32:48,409 --> 00:32:46,500
Colombia one of the mountain peaks sits

850
00:32:49,850 --> 00:32:48,419
in a negative charge the other in a

851
00:32:52,730 --> 00:32:49,860
positive and I think the river between

852
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,740
them is sulfur based that's right yeah

853
00:32:58,250 --> 00:32:54,480
I'm just looking us here is a guy called

854
00:33:00,350 --> 00:32:58,260
Jada menarev and he works in Italy and

855
00:33:03,529 --> 00:33:00,360
radio astronomy of scientists and he

856
00:33:05,389 --> 00:33:03,539
said um he believes this is Hess darling

857
00:33:07,850 --> 00:33:05,399
that the Valley's unusual geology

858
00:33:09,649 --> 00:33:07,860
functions as a natural battery with two

859
00:33:12,409 --> 00:33:09,659
distinctly different types of rocks

860
00:33:14,690 --> 00:33:12,419
acting as the anode and the cathode

861
00:33:17,389 --> 00:33:14,700
um the valley is rocks rich in iron and

862
00:33:19,549 --> 00:33:17,399
zinc on one side

863
00:33:21,889 --> 00:33:19,559
um and on the other side of the river

864
00:33:23,870 --> 00:33:21,899
are rich in Copper so you've got the

865
00:33:26,029 --> 00:33:23,880
river Hester between them and the

866
00:33:28,850 --> 00:33:26,039
electrolyte that activates the circuit

867
00:33:31,730 --> 00:33:28,860
is provided by sulfur that leeches into

868
00:33:33,950 --> 00:33:31,740
the river now he and a colleague have

869
00:33:35,690 --> 00:33:33,960
actually tested the theory in the valley

870
00:33:38,810 --> 00:33:35,700
and they were able to produce sufficient

871
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:38,820
current to light a lamp and they believe

872
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:41,279
the battery produces iron bubbles that

873
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:43,679
can rise from the valley and move along

874
00:33:48,430 --> 00:33:45,600
the electrical field generated in the

875
00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:48,440
humid atmosphere above it so maybe

876
00:33:53,149 --> 00:33:50,580
there's something similar going on in

877
00:33:55,310 --> 00:33:53,159
londondale they're quite possible yeah

878
00:33:58,190 --> 00:33:55,320
the Barbara drabble isn't the only

879
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:58,200
person who's had a weird experience

880
00:34:01,130 --> 00:33:59,039
um

881
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:01,140
involving a car because I don't think

882
00:34:05,570 --> 00:34:03,120
you can find this this the story from

883
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:05,580
1995 that was um

884
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:08,159
reported I think I sent you a scan of

885
00:34:12,109 --> 00:34:09,119
this

886
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:12,119
um Vinnie which was the the um

887
00:34:16,430 --> 00:34:14,399
the young woman called um Laverne

888
00:34:17,710 --> 00:34:16,440
Marshall this is a story that was in the

889
00:34:21,290 --> 00:34:17,720
um the local

890
00:34:24,829 --> 00:34:21,300
newspapered loss of Advertiser and this

891
00:34:26,889 --> 00:34:24,839
is a very bizarre story and this is a

892
00:34:30,889 --> 00:34:26,899
night in February

893
00:34:34,669 --> 00:34:30,899
1995. and this lady from glossop called

894
00:34:37,790 --> 00:34:34,679
Laverne Marshall she had dropped her son

895
00:34:39,230 --> 00:34:37,800
off um he threw no she'd taken us on to

896
00:34:41,930 --> 00:34:39,240
Heathrow Airport

897
00:34:44,750 --> 00:34:41,940
and she'd driven all the way back after

898
00:34:47,869 --> 00:34:44,760
he got his fly with her daughter Stacy

899
00:34:49,250 --> 00:34:47,879
and Stacy's baby and they were in the

900
00:34:51,710 --> 00:34:49,260
back of the car and they lived in

901
00:34:53,930 --> 00:34:51,720
glossop so they went up the M1 they took

902
00:34:56,510 --> 00:34:53,940
the m62 across the pennines and then

903
00:34:58,490 --> 00:34:56,520
dropped into londondale Valley and this

904
00:35:00,170 --> 00:34:58,500
was really late at night and they just

905
00:35:02,450 --> 00:35:00,180
dropped into the valley to a place

906
00:35:04,970 --> 00:35:02,460
called near a place called The Devil's

907
00:35:07,130 --> 00:35:04,980
elbow again

908
00:35:08,810 --> 00:35:07,140
these weird place names that seem to

909
00:35:10,910 --> 00:35:08,820
reflect the fact that odd things have

910
00:35:13,130 --> 00:35:10,920
happened there before and the bizarre

911
00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:13,140
thing about this was they they saw light

912
00:35:19,010 --> 00:35:15,920
but they were inside the car

913
00:35:22,130 --> 00:35:19,020
that's so just suddenly in the middle of

914
00:35:24,050 --> 00:35:22,140
nowhere this bunch of Lights appeared in

915
00:35:27,530 --> 00:35:24,060
the side of the car like four or five

916
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:27,540
wise also on moving around the dashboard

917
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:29,760
almost like soldiers Drilling and they

918
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:31,920
were sort of moving around in the car as

919
00:35:36,770 --> 00:35:34,079
they were driving and as you can imagine

920
00:35:38,510 --> 00:35:36,780
they were absolutely terrified stopped

921
00:35:41,089 --> 00:35:38,520
stopped and started the car at different

922
00:35:43,130 --> 00:35:41,099
points and then as when they got to the

923
00:35:45,470 --> 00:35:43,140
outskirts of loss of these lights just

924
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:45,480
vanished and because there'd been

925
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:47,280
stories in the local press about it

926
00:35:51,170 --> 00:35:49,200
they'd said nothing because they thought

927
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:51,180
nobody would believe them and it was

928
00:35:56,089 --> 00:35:53,040
only when stories about the London Dale

929
00:35:57,710 --> 00:35:56,099
White started um to be to be published

930
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:57,720
and you can see there's a little rag out

931
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:00,960
in the corner and Tony Dodd who was very

932
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,400
active

933
00:36:06,530 --> 00:36:04,560
um with the Yorkshire UFO Society at the

934
00:36:07,790 --> 00:36:06,540
time he he was investigating something

935
00:36:10,490 --> 00:36:07,800
mysterious in one of the local

936
00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:10,500
reservoirs and this prompted Laverne

937
00:36:13,790 --> 00:36:12,180
Marshall to come forward and again I

938
00:36:16,730 --> 00:36:13,800
went and interviewed her I've got her on

939
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:16,740
tape talking about this and and she was

940
00:36:22,130 --> 00:36:20,640
genuinely terrified and I've never heard

941
00:36:24,770 --> 00:36:22,140
a story like that I mean I know those

942
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:24,780
stories about UFO abductions where

943
00:36:28,490 --> 00:36:27,119
people see a light outside the car and

944
00:36:30,530 --> 00:36:28,500
then they have a period of missing time

945
00:36:32,450 --> 00:36:30,540
but these were lights they didn't see

946
00:36:35,210 --> 00:36:32,460
anything outside the car these were

947
00:36:36,890 --> 00:36:35,220
strange sort of luminous

948
00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:36,900
um balls of line that appeared inside

949
00:36:41,329 --> 00:36:38,400
the car and they were like whizzing

950
00:36:44,569 --> 00:36:41,339
around and moving around inside the car

951
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:44,579
so it's strange that he was in

952
00:36:51,530 --> 00:36:48,480
londondale that's strange and that case

953
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:51,540
does you know uh let me start again back

954
00:36:56,930 --> 00:36:54,000
in earlier this year when George Knapp

955
00:36:58,730 --> 00:36:56,940
and Colin Kelleher released their book

956
00:37:00,829 --> 00:36:58,740
um talking about orsap the skinwalkers

957
00:37:02,990 --> 00:37:00,839
at the Pentagon they did talk about a

958
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:03,000
case where these strange orbs entered a

959
00:37:08,270 --> 00:37:06,000
car very very similar to the yeah very

960
00:37:10,130 --> 00:37:08,280
similar but they did see they did see

961
00:37:12,589 --> 00:37:10,140
them in a field and they came towards

962
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:12,599
the car entered the car and caused

963
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,160
health effects to the driver and stuff

964
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:16,560
so that's really fascinating but I think

965
00:37:20,030 --> 00:37:18,240
one thing also is that the londondale

966
00:37:21,710 --> 00:37:20,040
lights the first case was this huge

967
00:37:23,390 --> 00:37:21,720
light that lit up a couple of miles of

968
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:23,400
the valley and now we're like almost

969
00:37:27,710 --> 00:37:25,440
talking about small orb size objects

970
00:37:30,290 --> 00:37:27,720
it's just so strange how yep the

971
00:37:33,410 --> 00:37:30,300
difference is that that are there it

972
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:33,420
just runs the whole gamut you know

973
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:35,040
there's everything

974
00:37:38,569 --> 00:37:36,480
um that you've got like people who've

975
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,579
seen like Searchlight beams that seem to

976
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:40,800
sort of come out of the ground you've

977
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:43,440
got um like a string of lights sort of

978
00:37:49,250 --> 00:37:46,560
purple lights you've got uh again back

979
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:49,260
to the colors what you don't get are the

980
00:37:54,109 --> 00:37:50,880
red lights which are what the mountain

981
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:54,119
rescue teams are expecting if people are

982
00:38:00,050 --> 00:37:56,640
firing distress flares so if someone was

983
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,060
out you know pranking and hoaxing you

984
00:38:04,250 --> 00:38:02,160
know you'd expect the lights to be red

985
00:38:06,650 --> 00:38:04,260
but they never are they're always sort

986
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:06,660
of purple or blue which is a very odd

987
00:38:10,210 --> 00:38:09,119
color for the light

988
00:38:12,770 --> 00:38:10,220
um

989
00:38:14,750 --> 00:38:12,780
there are I mean there are some

990
00:38:16,430 --> 00:38:14,760
conventional explanations for this I

991
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:16,440
mean one that we haven't mentioned which

992
00:38:21,890 --> 00:38:18,720
has got to be a factor is the fact that

993
00:38:22,730 --> 00:38:21,900
the londondale valley is on one of the

994
00:38:25,630 --> 00:38:22,740
um

995
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:25,640
the approaches for aircraft going into

996
00:38:29,329 --> 00:38:28,320
Manchester airport now Manchester

997
00:38:31,930 --> 00:38:29,339
Airport is one of the biggest

998
00:38:34,370 --> 00:38:31,940
international airports in in England and

999
00:38:36,530 --> 00:38:34,380
if you're up there at nine I've been up

1000
00:38:38,329 --> 00:38:36,540
there numerous times they're constantly

1001
00:38:40,730 --> 00:38:38,339
coming in they're on a the flight path

1002
00:38:42,770 --> 00:38:40,740
and you can see them stacking up yeah um

1003
00:38:44,690 --> 00:38:42,780
so it's quite possible

1004
00:38:46,970 --> 00:38:44,700
that some of these sightings have been

1005
00:38:50,030 --> 00:38:46,980
caused by people who perhaps are

1006
00:38:52,609 --> 00:38:50,040
unfamiliar with the terrain maybe

1007
00:38:54,829 --> 00:38:52,619
visitors from outside the area who

1008
00:38:56,450 --> 00:38:54,839
aren't familiar with the fact that

1009
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:56,460
they're on this flight path into

1010
00:39:00,530 --> 00:38:58,800
Manchester and maybe you know unusual

1011
00:39:02,270 --> 00:39:00,540
conditions where you've got missed or

1012
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:02,280
temperature inversions and they've seen

1013
00:39:06,650 --> 00:39:04,560
something that looks as if it's very

1014
00:39:10,849 --> 00:39:06,660
very close when it's actually quite um

1015
00:39:13,010 --> 00:39:10,859
far away or a higher altitude but again

1016
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:13,020
that doesn't explain

1017
00:39:17,329 --> 00:39:15,119
um the folklore the stories that date

1018
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:17,339
back before there was an airport in

1019
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:20,640
Manchester and it doesn't explain this

1020
00:39:23,089 --> 00:39:21,839
the account

1021
00:39:24,829 --> 00:39:23,099
um that we've been talking about you

1022
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:24,839
know the one with the the valley filled

1023
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:28,320
with an entire bluish white light that

1024
00:39:31,790 --> 00:39:30,480
wouldn't be a an aircraft that caused

1025
00:39:33,650 --> 00:39:31,800
that no

1026
00:39:35,810 --> 00:39:33,660
um there are electricity pylons running

1027
00:39:37,730 --> 00:39:35,820
through the valley it's possible that um

1028
00:39:40,329 --> 00:39:37,740
some of the some of the reports are

1029
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:40,339
caused by you know um electricity

1030
00:39:44,750 --> 00:39:43,440
sparking Saint Elmo's Fire I think it's

1031
00:39:45,890 --> 00:39:44,760
called that kind of thing is a

1032
00:39:48,770 --> 00:39:45,900
possibility

1033
00:39:51,290 --> 00:39:48,780
and there's been um there was a

1034
00:39:52,970 --> 00:39:51,300
physicist at Manchester University

1035
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:52,980
um who got interested in this but he was

1036
00:39:57,230 --> 00:39:55,200
he was um interested in ball lightning

1037
00:39:58,730 --> 00:39:57,240
and he thought some of the some of the

1038
00:40:01,250 --> 00:39:58,740
sightings could be explained as ball

1039
00:40:04,490 --> 00:40:01,260
lightning but again ball lightning is

1040
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:04,500
very specific you know it's a it's a

1041
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:06,960
it's a it's been seen in many many

1042
00:40:13,310 --> 00:40:09,359
different forms and and ball lightning

1043
00:40:15,770 --> 00:40:13,320
does appear inside moving objects I mean

1044
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:15,780
it's been seen inside aircraft there's a

1045
00:40:19,010 --> 00:40:17,520
classic example

1046
00:40:20,690 --> 00:40:19,020
um several examples where people have

1047
00:40:23,450 --> 00:40:20,700
actually seen lightning balls moving

1048
00:40:25,970 --> 00:40:23,460
down the interior of an aircraft you can

1049
00:40:27,950 --> 00:40:25,980
imagine how terrifying that is

1050
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:27,960
um so maybe it's possible that um

1051
00:40:31,730 --> 00:40:29,280
something like that could appear inside

1052
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:31,740
a car and then you've got all the sort

1053
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:35,040
of um the plasma the coal plasma and all

1054
00:40:39,470 --> 00:40:37,200
this is where we start um shading into

1055
00:40:42,349 --> 00:40:39,480
the UAP

1056
00:40:44,930 --> 00:40:42,359
um theories and Ron haddo in the combine

1057
00:40:48,170 --> 00:40:44,940
report he talks about earth-license and

1058
00:40:50,510 --> 00:40:48,180
plasmas as um as as being the source of

1059
00:40:52,670 --> 00:40:50,520
some of the UAP reports

1060
00:40:53,870 --> 00:40:52,680
and I think what is why this particular

1061
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:53,880
area

1062
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:58,560
hairstyle and londondale Colombia and

1063
00:41:03,710 --> 00:41:01,200
the one thing that is that they all have

1064
00:41:05,870 --> 00:41:03,720
in common is that they all have these

1065
00:41:07,849 --> 00:41:05,880
variations that there's not just one

1066
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:07,859
light phenomena it's like you said the

1067
00:41:11,810 --> 00:41:10,079
strings of Lights there's lights in the

1068
00:41:13,849 --> 00:41:11,820
air a lot of the time there's lights on

1069
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:13,859
the ground and it's that's what makes it

1070
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:15,599
even more mysterious that it's not

1071
00:41:19,550 --> 00:41:18,000
consistent uh you know with one type of

1072
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:19,560
light and that it's it's

1073
00:41:25,069 --> 00:41:21,839
I think that's what's so fascinating and

1074
00:41:28,310 --> 00:41:25,079
in and in Colombia hair style and there

1075
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:28,320
are stories of people seeing UFOs I know

1076
00:41:31,490 --> 00:41:30,240
a lot of these are anecdotal and but

1077
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:31,500
they say that you know they're seeing

1078
00:41:38,990 --> 00:41:36,240
physical craft so that adds to the

1079
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:39,000
Allure let's say of it being something

1080
00:41:44,569 --> 00:41:41,280
generally not of this Earth but yeah

1081
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:44,579
yeah she saw on the mountain in Colombia

1082
00:41:47,589 --> 00:41:46,560
is it philippena is that how you

1083
00:41:49,490 --> 00:41:47,599
pronounce

1084
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:49,500
yeah yeah

1085
00:41:53,810 --> 00:41:51,599
um that there was I mean like you

1086
00:41:55,370 --> 00:41:53,820
explained to me really well when we

1087
00:41:57,890 --> 00:41:55,380
talked about this

1088
00:41:58,970 --> 00:41:57,900
um there was no other source for that

1089
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:58,980
because you were you were literally

1090
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,720
seeing it against the face of the

1091
00:42:05,210 --> 00:42:02,640
mountain and that's not something

1092
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,220
that you would get an aircraft there

1093
00:42:10,010 --> 00:42:07,440
would be no no one up there with torches

1094
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,020
you know in the middle of nowhere

1095
00:42:15,230 --> 00:42:12,480
no I mean and we are going back we are

1096
00:42:17,810 --> 00:42:15,240
going back to kind of just

1097
00:42:19,490 --> 00:42:17,820
try and recreate it by getting as close

1098
00:42:21,609 --> 00:42:19,500
as we can to those different areas on

1099
00:42:24,170 --> 00:42:21,619
the face of the Mountain at night time

1100
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:24,180
and we're going to take torches up there

1101
00:42:29,450 --> 00:42:26,640
but you know it's only just to fully

1102
00:42:31,130 --> 00:42:29,460
rule it out 100 with 99 sure of course

1103
00:42:33,650 --> 00:42:31,140
but without actually physically doing

1104
00:42:36,410 --> 00:42:33,660
that experiment we wouldn't say you know

1105
00:42:38,569 --> 00:42:36,420
100 because we like to you know do it

1106
00:42:40,670 --> 00:42:38,579
properly but yeah I mean it was it was

1107
00:42:42,410 --> 00:42:40,680
crazy and that's the thing some of the

1108
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,420
photographs that Ashley Cowie had taken

1109
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:44,640
in the year or two prior to our

1110
00:42:50,510 --> 00:42:47,280
investigation were strange red lights in

1111
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:50,520
the sky or blue plasma streaks in

1112
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:51,839
different areas on the mountain it

1113
00:42:57,410 --> 00:42:54,240
wasn't just this one white headlight

1114
00:42:59,630 --> 00:42:57,420
type air ball of light so yeah it's

1115
00:43:02,450 --> 00:42:59,640
fascinating

1116
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,460
um but jumping back to londondale I'm

1117
00:43:06,890 --> 00:43:04,800
gonna bring in bring up this image of

1118
00:43:10,010 --> 00:43:06,900
the devil's elbow just to give an idea

1119
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:10,020
of the the roads and stuff because I

1120
00:43:15,470 --> 00:43:13,200
drove down this road so you can see it's

1121
00:43:18,829 --> 00:43:15,480
a single you know Lane

1122
00:43:21,890 --> 00:43:18,839
Road twisting through the valley and I

1123
00:43:23,690 --> 00:43:21,900
drove down this twice uh in October once

1124
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:23,700
in the daytime and then again in the

1125
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:25,440
evening coming back and

1126
00:43:29,870 --> 00:43:27,839
once you've passed the few Lights of the

1127
00:43:31,550 --> 00:43:29,880
kind of village and and that you and

1128
00:43:36,050 --> 00:43:31,560
you're driving along the side of one of

1129
00:43:37,609 --> 00:43:36,060
the valleys it's so dark and Bleak and I

1130
00:43:39,170 --> 00:43:37,619
was aware obviously of the londondale

1131
00:43:40,849 --> 00:43:39,180
lights I was looking out everywhere but

1132
00:43:43,130 --> 00:43:40,859
you had this sense of oh you wouldn't

1133
00:43:45,710 --> 00:43:43,140
want to be out here at night really and

1134
00:43:47,950 --> 00:43:45,720
so yeah it's a strange old place that's

1135
00:43:50,270 --> 00:43:47,960
for sure and and the the the the the

1136
00:43:52,250 --> 00:43:50,280
naming of it the devil's elbow because

1137
00:43:54,109 --> 00:43:52,260
the traditional one of the traditional

1138
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:54,119
names for the lights in londondale are

1139
00:43:58,970 --> 00:43:56,880
devils bonfires right and I heard

1140
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:58,980
various people describing them as that

1141
00:44:03,470 --> 00:44:01,440
so there's obviously a link with

1142
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:03,480
um you know the evil you know the the

1143
00:44:07,970 --> 00:44:05,760
traditional sort of idea that you know

1144
00:44:10,430 --> 00:44:07,980
if you saw these lights it was the devil

1145
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:10,440
or odd or demons who were sort of

1146
00:44:15,530 --> 00:44:12,960
dancing in the night or trying to lure

1147
00:44:16,970 --> 00:44:15,540
you into the darkness and this is where

1148
00:44:18,829 --> 00:44:16,980
you get the will of the Wisp stories

1149
00:44:21,290 --> 00:44:18,839
from because this the the will of the

1150
00:44:25,010 --> 00:44:21,300
whist was supposed to be a some kind of

1151
00:44:27,530 --> 00:44:25,020
imp or fairy that people saw

1152
00:44:29,329 --> 00:44:27,540
um when they were out on on their own in

1153
00:44:31,130 --> 00:44:29,339
darkness and you'd think it was a

1154
00:44:32,809 --> 00:44:31,140
lantern carried by someone and people

1155
00:44:34,250 --> 00:44:32,819
would follow it and the more you

1156
00:44:36,109 --> 00:44:34,260
followed it the more it would move away

1157
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,119
and then you'd end up trapped in a bog

1158
00:44:40,430 --> 00:44:38,400
or quicksand or something like that so

1159
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:40,440
you can see how these stories began to

1160
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:43,200
link these mysterious lights with evil

1161
00:44:48,190 --> 00:44:46,560
and with you know evil spirits that

1162
00:44:50,690 --> 00:44:48,200
hence the naming of the devil's elbow

1163
00:44:52,730 --> 00:44:50,700
and again with the devil's elbow there

1164
00:44:54,530 --> 00:44:52,740
was a chap I interviewed who must now be

1165
00:44:57,410 --> 00:44:54,540
dead because he was in his late 80s

1166
00:44:58,450 --> 00:44:57,420
early 90s uh when I visited him and that

1167
00:45:02,990 --> 00:44:58,460
would be

1168
00:45:06,170 --> 00:45:03,000
1992 and he was the last um Railway

1169
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:06,180
worker who who was used to work in the

1170
00:45:10,730 --> 00:45:08,400
signal box in the valley because there's

1171
00:45:13,550 --> 00:45:10,740
a massive tunnel that was that was that

1172
00:45:16,430 --> 00:45:13,560
was made under londondale Valley Lincoln

1173
00:45:17,630 --> 00:45:16,440
Manchester with Sheffield in the 19th

1174
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:17,640
century and there were hundreds of

1175
00:45:23,089 --> 00:45:20,160
people worked on this many of them um

1176
00:45:25,130 --> 00:45:23,099
Irish laborers who'd come across just to

1177
00:45:28,370 --> 00:45:25,140
work on the project a lot of them are

1178
00:45:30,829 --> 00:45:28,380
buried in the Little Chapel At War dead

1179
00:45:32,270 --> 00:45:30,839
um and for some reason they pulled the

1180
00:45:34,910 --> 00:45:32,280
trains and it's now got a lot of

1181
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:34,920
electricity pylon running through it but

1182
00:45:39,470 --> 00:45:37,200
he was the last of the Railway men who

1183
00:45:42,109 --> 00:45:39,480
worked on there and he lived in a group

1184
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:42,119
of cottages in the middle of nowhere and

1185
00:45:44,990 --> 00:45:43,440
loads of people said oh you need to go

1186
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:45,000
and see John Davis

1187
00:45:49,370 --> 00:45:47,040
um and he was about 80 ate when I saw

1188
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:49,380
him and he'd actually had

1189
00:45:54,650 --> 00:45:52,319
a most bizarre encounter at the devil's

1190
00:45:57,890 --> 00:45:54,660
elbow one night and he was coming back

1191
00:46:00,349 --> 00:45:57,900
on an old 1950s motorbike and it must

1192
00:46:02,270 --> 00:46:00,359
have been late 1950s or 60s and he he

1193
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:02,280
came around that bend as you were seeing

1194
00:46:06,829 --> 00:46:04,319
there and there was a big full moon and

1195
00:46:10,010 --> 00:46:06,839
he said he felt all the hair in the back

1196
00:46:12,050 --> 00:46:10,020
of his head rising up before he actually

1197
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:12,060
saw anything and he stopped his

1198
00:46:15,470 --> 00:46:13,680
motorbike he said just before he got to

1199
00:46:18,050 --> 00:46:15,480
the bend and he could hear something

1200
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:18,060
coming across the road and he said it

1201
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:21,119
was this huge intensely black object

1202
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:23,040
that seemed to sort of come out of the

1203
00:46:28,609 --> 00:46:26,000
more and like almost like um

1204
00:46:31,010 --> 00:46:28,619
moved over the road and dropped into the

1205
00:46:32,750 --> 00:46:31,020
valley below and it was just so dark and

1206
00:46:34,970 --> 00:46:32,760
black it couldn't see anything he

1207
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:34,980
couldn't see over it or Beyond it almost

1208
00:46:39,470 --> 00:46:36,960
and he described it as like a huge black

1209
00:46:41,210 --> 00:46:39,480
slug and he's almost as if it was coming

1210
00:46:42,829 --> 00:46:41,220
out of the mountain and dropping into

1211
00:46:45,770 --> 00:46:42,839
the valley and he sort of let this thing

1212
00:46:48,829 --> 00:46:45,780
sort of descend and then carried on on

1213
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,839
his way back to his Railway Cottages so

1214
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:50,640
you've got almost the opposite of a

1215
00:46:54,349 --> 00:46:52,079
light there you've got something that's

1216
00:46:56,990 --> 00:46:54,359
got no light at all as if it sucked all

1217
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:57,000
the light into it like a mini black hole

1218
00:47:00,770 --> 00:46:58,560
Yeah so there's obviously something

1219
00:47:02,809 --> 00:47:00,780
really bizarre going on there and that's

1220
00:47:04,730 --> 00:47:02,819
why that particular

1221
00:47:06,650 --> 00:47:04,740
um Bend in the road has become known as

1222
00:47:08,510 --> 00:47:06,660
the devil's elbow because if people have

1223
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:08,520
had those kinds of weird experiences

1224
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:11,520
year after year after year the place has

1225
00:47:15,650 --> 00:47:14,160
become associated with the supernatural

1226
00:47:17,569 --> 00:47:15,660
yeah

1227
00:47:19,730 --> 00:47:17,579
fascinating and let's let's go back

1228
00:47:21,530 --> 00:47:19,740
because you mentioned the rescue teams

1229
00:47:23,870 --> 00:47:21,540
in there and there's a document that you

1230
00:47:26,450 --> 00:47:23,880
sent me which I think is really uh Worth

1231
00:47:28,490 --> 00:47:26,460
showing as well so I'll bring that up oh

1232
00:47:30,890 --> 00:47:28,500
is this the Mountain Rescue Team log it

1233
00:47:34,609 --> 00:47:30,900
is yeah and this gives you like an idea

1234
00:47:37,970 --> 00:47:34,619
of various sightings let's say so

1235
00:47:39,470 --> 00:47:37,980
if I yeah this is excellent yeah so this

1236
00:47:41,329 --> 00:47:39,480
is when we were doing project pen on

1237
00:47:43,250 --> 00:47:41,339
this is what we got back from loss of

1238
00:47:46,010 --> 00:47:43,260
Mountain Rescue Team and they'd gone

1239
00:47:48,530 --> 00:47:46,020
through their records right back to the

1240
00:47:51,710 --> 00:47:48,540
19 early 1970s and as you can see here

1241
00:47:55,130 --> 00:47:51,720
they've logged all these sightings so

1242
00:47:57,530 --> 00:47:55,140
September 1973 sighting of a red foe

1243
00:47:59,089 --> 00:47:57,540
this was a red flare sorry I'm standing

1244
00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:59,099
corrected

1245
00:48:05,089 --> 00:48:01,680
um but this is reported by a motorist as

1246
00:48:08,089 --> 00:48:05,099
he drove towards blossop um the b6105 is

1247
00:48:09,770 --> 00:48:08,099
where the devil Devil's elbow is right

1248
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:09,780
um and that appeared to be above

1249
00:48:15,770 --> 00:48:12,000
um cloth Edge Rescue Team search Peak

1250
00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:15,780
news and lots of blue negative result

1251
00:48:20,750 --> 00:48:18,420
second one 1977 this was a police

1252
00:48:24,770 --> 00:48:20,760
sergeant that was um coming over the

1253
00:48:27,650 --> 00:48:24,780
snake pass and he saw a flare Rising

1254
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,660
directly behind Shire Hill so the same

1255
00:48:31,010 --> 00:48:29,760
direction as the first sighting but from

1256
00:48:34,190 --> 00:48:31,020
a different

1257
00:48:35,809 --> 00:48:34,200
direction so when all these are

1258
00:48:38,750 --> 00:48:35,819
triangulated they're all in a similar

1259
00:48:42,050 --> 00:48:38,760
area the one in March February March

1260
00:48:43,550 --> 00:48:42,060
1980 was um the actual team leader of

1261
00:48:45,470 --> 00:48:43,560
loss of Mountain Rescue Team who

1262
00:48:47,809 --> 00:48:45,480
actually provided this info that was his

1263
00:48:49,849 --> 00:48:47,819
own personal sighting of a large

1264
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:49,859
Searchlight this is on the top of the

1265
00:48:54,770 --> 00:48:52,079
Moor and like he says there vehicle

1266
00:48:56,450 --> 00:48:54,780
access to where he saw this light was

1267
00:48:59,690 --> 00:48:56,460
impossible it's just in the middle of

1268
00:49:01,550 --> 00:48:59,700
nowhere you couldn't take a car up there

1269
00:49:05,329 --> 00:49:01,560
um so what was it

1270
00:49:08,270 --> 00:49:05,339
um then there was another site in 1982 a

1271
00:49:10,370 --> 00:49:08,280
green flare not the sort of normal color

1272
00:49:12,410 --> 00:49:10,380
you would you would let off if you were

1273
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:12,420
in if you're in trouble

1274
00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:13,440
um again

1275
00:49:18,170 --> 00:49:15,839
um bearing taking taken from the

1276
00:49:21,530 --> 00:49:18,180
location several small parties from the

1277
00:49:24,050 --> 00:49:21,540
rescue team went up there found nothing

1278
00:49:26,450 --> 00:49:24,060
same year later in the same year October

1279
00:49:29,089 --> 00:49:26,460
sighting of a flare Rising between James

1280
00:49:30,530 --> 00:49:29,099
Thorne lower shelf stones again by a

1281
00:49:33,170 --> 00:49:30,540
police officer

1282
00:49:35,150 --> 00:49:33,180
again the search team went out didn't

1283
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:35,160
find anything and then there's some um

1284
00:49:37,849 --> 00:49:36,480
additional info which is really

1285
00:49:40,370 --> 00:49:37,859
interesting

1286
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:40,380
the last site in raised interest in the

1287
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:42,000
phenomenon of the lights in londondale

1288
00:49:46,670 --> 00:49:44,880
lots of people then came forward with um

1289
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:46,680
sightings recall from previous years

1290
00:49:50,930 --> 00:49:48,960
Barbara drabble being one of them

1291
00:49:53,809 --> 00:49:50,940
and he then says these have taken the

1292
00:49:55,970 --> 00:49:53,819
form of searchlights flares strings of

1293
00:49:59,150 --> 00:49:55,980
Lights crossing the hillside ghostly

1294
00:50:02,329 --> 00:49:59,160
Roman Legions have been reported in the

1295
00:50:03,770 --> 00:50:02,339
vicinity of torside Castle and quite

1296
00:50:05,870 --> 00:50:03,780
intriguing

1297
00:50:07,609 --> 00:50:05,880
um mention then he says that there have

1298
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:07,619
been other sightings of mysterious

1299
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,079
lights in the same area from one or two

1300
00:50:15,890 --> 00:50:12,000
people who refused to discuss the matter

1301
00:50:19,010 --> 00:50:15,900
any further very odd why why would they

1302
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:19,020
refuse to discuss it and there's been so

1303
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:21,599
many sightings at that point this was in

1304
00:50:25,609 --> 00:50:24,000
the late 90s that the police stopped

1305
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:25,619
didn't bothering in the rescue team

1306
00:50:30,290 --> 00:50:27,680
anymore

1307
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:30,300
because it obviously it costs a lot of

1308
00:50:34,250 --> 00:50:32,160
money to get the Mountain Rescue Team up

1309
00:50:36,349 --> 00:50:34,260
there with Land Rovers helicopters

1310
00:50:39,650 --> 00:50:36,359
searchlights all this kind of thing

1311
00:50:41,569 --> 00:50:39,660
and he says we would expect a red flare

1312
00:50:43,849 --> 00:50:41,579
to be fired by someone in distress and

1313
00:50:47,210 --> 00:50:43,859
in all the cases with the exception of

1314
00:50:51,710 --> 00:50:47,220
that first one in 1973 the lights or

1315
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:52,890
fascinating

1316
00:50:57,230 --> 00:50:55,040
[Music]

1317
00:51:00,170 --> 00:50:57,240
am I right in saying that for a while

1318
00:51:04,010 --> 00:51:00,180
there was a webcam upon

1319
00:51:05,569 --> 00:51:04,020
sale yeah so this is um late 1990s when

1320
00:51:07,130 --> 00:51:05,579
I was sort of actively investigating

1321
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:07,140
this and various other people were

1322
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,599
interested in my classpool did his

1323
00:51:12,410 --> 00:51:11,040
program there was it got a lot of

1324
00:51:14,650 --> 00:51:12,420
attention in fact I think there was even

1325
00:51:16,730 --> 00:51:14,660
a double page spread in the Daily Mail

1326
00:51:21,710 --> 00:51:16,740
about it

1327
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:21,720
um and this um a lady called Debbie Fair

1328
00:51:25,549 --> 00:51:23,280
um who was I think she worked on the

1329
00:51:28,190 --> 00:51:25,559
radio station in glossop um this was

1330
00:51:29,630 --> 00:51:28,200
when um people was getting online for

1331
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:29,640
the first time and

1332
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:31,680
um people had webcams this was a

1333
00:51:34,910 --> 00:51:33,599
completely new phenomenon and she

1334
00:51:37,250 --> 00:51:34,920
thought well why don't I stick one of

1335
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:37,260
these in my bedroom window because she

1336
00:51:43,069 --> 00:51:40,319
lived in Blossom overlooking them the

1337
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:43,079
the area where the lights were seen and

1338
00:51:45,710 --> 00:51:44,160
I think she might have been one of the

1339
00:51:47,870 --> 00:51:45,720
first people to do this and she had a

1340
00:51:49,849 --> 00:51:47,880
live webcam looking out over londondale

1341
00:51:51,410 --> 00:51:49,859
Valley which was I think he was in

1342
00:51:54,049 --> 00:51:51,420
existence for two or three years not

1343
00:51:55,730 --> 00:51:54,059
nothing was ever odd was ever seen on

1344
00:51:58,130 --> 00:51:55,740
this webcam but

1345
00:52:00,890 --> 00:51:58,140
um it was just an interest in um

1346
00:52:02,329 --> 00:52:00,900
little expelled experiment she did and I

1347
00:52:03,650 --> 00:52:02,339
know there's been various other people

1348
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:03,660
in other parts of the world that have

1349
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:05,280
done similar things there's a team isn't

1350
00:52:08,690 --> 00:52:07,440
there in North Carolina

1351
00:52:10,849 --> 00:52:08,700
um where you've got the Brown Mountain

1352
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:10,859
Lights and they've set up some kind of

1353
00:52:15,410 --> 00:52:12,720
live webcam again I don't know whether

1354
00:52:17,930 --> 00:52:15,420
this is still live but they had three

1355
00:52:20,690 --> 00:52:17,940
different cameras in different parts of

1356
00:52:22,490 --> 00:52:20,700
Brown Mountain where it's very similar

1357
00:52:24,109 --> 00:52:22,500
lights to longondale lights have been

1358
00:52:25,970 --> 00:52:24,119
seen and I think they did actually

1359
00:52:28,250 --> 00:52:25,980
succeed in capturing something that was

1360
00:52:30,890 --> 00:52:28,260
genuinely anomalous

1361
00:52:32,569 --> 00:52:30,900
yeah the image that I used for the

1362
00:52:33,770 --> 00:52:32,579
thumbnail I think was a brown Mountain

1363
00:52:35,630 --> 00:52:33,780
like I'm just going to bring up my

1364
00:52:38,930 --> 00:52:35,640
screen I've got a couple of other

1365
00:52:41,569 --> 00:52:38,940
uh so I think this is the one I used but

1366
00:52:44,690 --> 00:52:41,579
yeah that looks like it yeah there's

1367
00:52:47,329 --> 00:52:44,700
these kind of streaks with you know

1368
00:52:48,890 --> 00:52:47,339
purpley Bluey kind of you know these are

1369
00:52:50,690 --> 00:52:48,900
very similar to what's been captured in

1370
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:50,700
Colombia especially

1371
00:52:54,650 --> 00:52:53,280
um and her Stalin as well yeah

1372
00:52:57,290 --> 00:52:54,660
so I just think they're absolutely

1373
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:57,300
fascinating under the scene in every

1374
00:53:01,490 --> 00:52:59,760
part of the world in in Australia there

1375
00:53:03,470 --> 00:53:01,500
is this thing called the Min Min lights

1376
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:03,480
in um

1377
00:53:08,210 --> 00:53:05,520
Queensland an area in Queensland

1378
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:08,220
Queensland and I mean I've only just

1379
00:53:11,809 --> 00:53:09,599
sort of skimmed the surface with that

1380
00:53:13,309 --> 00:53:11,819
but there's mountains of literature and

1381
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:13,319
accounts for people who've seen these

1382
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:14,640
things and I think

1383
00:53:18,170 --> 00:53:16,559
um the Aboriginal PE peoples of

1384
00:53:19,370 --> 00:53:18,180
Australia they've got Traditions about

1385
00:53:20,650 --> 00:53:19,380
them

1386
00:53:23,210 --> 00:53:20,660
um again

1387
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:23,220
yeah this is an example of the min-min

1388
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:24,480
lights

1389
00:53:27,530 --> 00:53:25,920
I think Paul Deborah has actually

1390
00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:27,540
written about these as well in Earth

1391
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:30,300
flights in his Earth flights but

1392
00:53:35,930 --> 00:53:33,599
I tried I tried to reach out to Paul

1393
00:53:37,609 --> 00:53:35,940
um no response and then I found out that

1394
00:53:39,710 --> 00:53:37,619
he doesn't really give interviews

1395
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:39,720
because he's worried about what may be

1396
00:53:44,809 --> 00:53:42,240
construed by the the media and they may

1397
00:53:47,450 --> 00:53:44,819
you know uh sort of pick apart his

1398
00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:47,460
interviews to fit a certain narrative so

1399
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:49,250
you know it is what it is

1400
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:49,920
[Music]

1401
00:53:52,430 --> 00:53:50,880
um

1402
00:53:53,870 --> 00:53:52,440
but you you know and maybe you could

1403
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:53,880
have a word with himself yeah well I'm

1404
00:53:57,470 --> 00:53:55,680
saying it in the new year so I'll see if

1405
00:53:59,390 --> 00:53:57,480
I can persuade him to um come on your

1406
00:54:01,010 --> 00:53:59,400
show really that'd be great and we'll do

1407
00:54:02,750 --> 00:54:01,020
this all over again and he could take us

1408
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:02,760
through some more more sort of aspects

1409
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:04,800
of it I'm sure he'd be able to add a lot

1410
00:54:09,049 --> 00:54:07,200
more to um to what I've what I've been

1411
00:54:12,109 --> 00:54:09,059
able to summarize today I mean I think

1412
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:12,119
one thing we can say for sure

1413
00:54:16,670 --> 00:54:14,160
um about these things is that they are

1414
00:54:17,930 --> 00:54:16,680
some kind of natural phenomenon I mean I

1415
00:54:19,849 --> 00:54:17,940
don't know what I mean by it natural

1416
00:54:21,890 --> 00:54:19,859
what I mean is it's something connected

1417
00:54:24,349 --> 00:54:21,900
to the Earth it's not something that's

1418
00:54:26,210 --> 00:54:24,359
coming here from outer space or other

1419
00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:26,220
dimensions it's something that's always

1420
00:54:32,270 --> 00:54:29,400
been here probably been here long before

1421
00:54:34,250 --> 00:54:32,280
humans were around and one of the

1422
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:34,260
interesting theories

1423
00:54:37,309 --> 00:54:35,760
um I think I came across this again in

1424
00:54:38,690 --> 00:54:37,319
the scientific article there was there

1425
00:54:40,190 --> 00:54:38,700
was some guy that was writing in new

1426
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:40,200
scientists and he was talking about

1427
00:54:44,450 --> 00:54:42,720
Willa the Wisp and spook lights and he

1428
00:54:46,670 --> 00:54:44,460
was saying he was linking them to

1429
00:54:48,410 --> 00:54:46,680
something he's called extremophiles you

1430
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:48,420
know that they've found

1431
00:54:52,250 --> 00:54:50,640
um phosphine or evidence of phosphine on

1432
00:54:54,410 --> 00:54:52,260
Venus

1433
00:54:56,690 --> 00:54:54,420
um and he's he his theory is that some

1434
00:54:59,630 --> 00:54:56,700
of these mysterious lights might be

1435
00:55:02,329 --> 00:54:59,640
examples of some kind of sort of very

1436
00:55:04,730 --> 00:55:02,339
sort of basic life forms that exist in

1437
00:55:06,589 --> 00:55:04,740
the atmosphere because there are all

1438
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:06,599
these stories about um

1439
00:55:11,630 --> 00:55:09,839
that people used to um have about

1440
00:55:14,450 --> 00:55:11,640
um UFOs being some kind of living

1441
00:55:16,430 --> 00:55:14,460
organism rather than a machine yeah and

1442
00:55:18,290 --> 00:55:16,440
and for anyone any any of those people

1443
00:55:20,089 --> 00:55:18,300
who are watching who've seen the film

1444
00:55:21,650 --> 00:55:20,099
noob

1445
00:55:23,329 --> 00:55:21,660
um that was in the cinemas I've

1446
00:55:25,130 --> 00:55:23,339
forgotten the name of the of the

1447
00:55:27,890 --> 00:55:25,140
director now it's very famous director

1448
00:55:29,690 --> 00:55:27,900
from America and the whole um premise of

1449
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:29,700
it I don't want to give you any spoilers

1450
00:55:35,690 --> 00:55:32,880
is it's it's basically a farmer in

1451
00:55:37,609 --> 00:55:35,700
California who is being plagued by UFO

1452
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:37,619
sightings and the UFO turns out to be

1453
00:55:42,049 --> 00:55:40,079
like a living organism that that's

1454
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:42,059
that's up to no good I'm not going to

1455
00:55:45,170 --> 00:55:43,200
say anymore because I don't want to put

1456
00:55:46,970 --> 00:55:45,180
any spoilers for those who haven't seen

1457
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:46,980
the film but it was obviously drawing

1458
00:55:52,370 --> 00:55:50,160
upon these these ideas and beliefs that

1459
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:52,380
and this is something that um Charles

1460
00:55:56,750 --> 00:55:55,200
Ford actually wrote about he said maybe

1461
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:56,760
some of these lights that people have

1462
00:56:00,349 --> 00:55:58,559
seen are living creatures who inhabit

1463
00:56:03,470 --> 00:56:00,359
parts of the atmosphere and occasionally

1464
00:56:05,089 --> 00:56:03,480
they will descend to the ground and

1465
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,099
that's where what people describe as

1466
00:56:10,130 --> 00:56:07,920
these mysterious lights who knows yeah

1467
00:56:11,870 --> 00:56:10,140
and one thing that really pulled ever

1468
00:56:14,089 --> 00:56:11,880
rotates even further where he says yes

1469
00:56:16,370 --> 00:56:14,099
they could be natural phenomena but he

1470
00:56:18,049 --> 00:56:16,380
then adds Consciousness into that to the

1471
00:56:19,849 --> 00:56:18,059
equation so they could yes they could be

1472
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:19,859
natural Earth lights

1473
00:56:23,870 --> 00:56:21,839
but there may be a Consciousness aspect

1474
00:56:27,470 --> 00:56:23,880
to it which that again is a whole new

1475
00:56:29,870 --> 00:56:27,480
ball game of is it some other non-human

1476
00:56:31,609 --> 00:56:29,880
entity that's aware of of you know and

1477
00:56:33,530 --> 00:56:31,619
that's just fascinating I think that's

1478
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:33,540
why I like talking about it and looking

1479
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:35,520
into it as it as it

1480
00:56:42,049 --> 00:56:39,359
relates to the UFO subject but I mean

1481
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:42,059
um people think that when they see these

1482
00:56:45,290 --> 00:56:43,680
lights and this is the will of the West

1483
00:56:48,170 --> 00:56:45,300
thing again that as they move towards

1484
00:56:49,790 --> 00:56:48,180
them the the light moves away or the

1485
00:56:51,890 --> 00:56:49,800
there's people who've sort of had

1486
00:56:54,109 --> 00:56:51,900
torches or flashlights and they've

1487
00:56:56,990 --> 00:56:54,119
they've directed the light at what the

1488
00:56:59,470 --> 00:56:57,000
scene and these things seem to react but

1489
00:57:02,690 --> 00:56:59,480
bear in mind that human beings are

1490
00:57:05,210 --> 00:57:02,700
electromagnetic creatures you know we've

1491
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:05,220
we've got an electrical fields around us

1492
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:07,200
so if you're in the vicinity of say I

1493
00:57:12,170 --> 00:57:09,599
don't know something like a plasma it's

1494
00:57:14,210 --> 00:57:12,180
going to react to you because you've got

1495
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:14,220
an electrical field so

1496
00:57:19,130 --> 00:57:17,040
you know maybe that explains how people

1497
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:19,140
sort of interpret what they're seeing as

1498
00:57:23,329 --> 00:57:21,119
if it's something alive as if it's

1499
00:57:26,030 --> 00:57:23,339
intelligent as if it's moving in an

1500
00:57:29,569 --> 00:57:26,040
intelligent way when maybe it's moving

1501
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,579
in in connection with your movements

1502
00:57:34,010 --> 00:57:31,440
who knows

1503
00:57:35,210 --> 00:57:34,020
that's so many theories yeah I think

1504
00:57:38,170 --> 00:57:35,220
that's something that Paul Deborah

1505
00:57:40,010 --> 00:57:38,180
expands upon in in his book yeah

1506
00:57:42,049 --> 00:57:40,020
absolutely

1507
00:57:43,790 --> 00:57:42,059
um and again everyone should check out

1508
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:43,800
Earth lights but like I said this is the

1509
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:46,079
second one earthlight's Revelation it's

1510
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:47,760
fascinating goes into cases from all

1511
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:49,680
around the world from all different time

1512
00:57:54,530 --> 00:57:52,559
periods so many theories and and things

1513
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:54,540
like that before we finish off I've got

1514
00:57:57,710 --> 00:57:56,400
a couple of questions from people just

1515
00:58:01,309 --> 00:57:57,720
uh I'd like to

1516
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:01,319
to acknowledge so Tino says hello Vinnie

1517
00:58:05,170 --> 00:58:03,119
and Dave is there any activity over

1518
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:05,180
saddle with more area

1519
00:58:09,049 --> 00:58:07,920
yes is the answer to that um I do

1520
00:58:10,370 --> 00:58:09,059
remember when I was doing the project

1521
00:58:12,589 --> 00:58:10,380
Pennine

1522
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:12,599
um research that there were several um

1523
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:14,880
cases we didn't look into this because

1524
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:17,280
we got so distracted by the stuff that

1525
00:58:21,049 --> 00:58:19,680
we got from glossop Mountain Rescue Team

1526
00:58:23,390 --> 00:58:21,059
but there is there was another Mountain

1527
00:58:25,130 --> 00:58:23,400
Rescue Team a bit further north who

1528
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:25,140
covered saddleworth and we did get some

1529
00:58:28,849 --> 00:58:27,359
accounts from them of very similar

1530
00:58:30,650 --> 00:58:28,859
lights that had been seen over Sable

1531
00:58:32,990 --> 00:58:30,660
with more there's a very famous sighting

1532
00:58:34,130 --> 00:58:33,000
I think he's in one of Jenny Randall's

1533
00:58:36,530 --> 00:58:34,140
books

1534
00:58:38,030 --> 00:58:36,540
um the road that goes over

1535
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:38,040
um saddle with more that come I think

1536
00:58:42,770 --> 00:58:40,559
it's the it comes out of Oldham and goes

1537
00:58:45,049 --> 00:58:42,780
up onto the Moors towards the

1538
00:58:47,450 --> 00:58:45,059
um n62 there was a case there in the

1539
00:58:48,890 --> 00:58:47,460
1970s where a guy

1540
00:58:51,170 --> 00:58:48,900
um I think I think the guy's name was

1541
00:58:52,609 --> 00:58:51,180
Alan Fallows it's for some reason that

1542
00:58:54,109 --> 00:58:52,619
comes to me and he was driving over

1543
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:54,119
there late one night and he saw this

1544
00:58:58,849 --> 00:58:56,400
like a ball of light white light that

1545
00:59:00,650 --> 00:58:58,859
sort of came down crossed over the road

1546
00:59:01,430 --> 00:59:00,660
in front of him

1547
00:59:04,190 --> 00:59:01,440
um

1548
00:59:06,049 --> 00:59:04,200
like a huge meteorological balloon but

1549
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:06,059
it wasn't some heterological balloon it

1550
00:59:10,430 --> 00:59:08,640
was like internally luminous that moved

1551
00:59:12,109 --> 00:59:10,440
across the road and vanished off in the

1552
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:12,119
direction of londondale

1553
00:59:17,630 --> 00:59:14,640
and and I think the the Mountain Rescue

1554
00:59:20,270 --> 00:59:17,640
Team um involved um had been called out

1555
00:59:22,250 --> 00:59:20,280
some very similar sightings and he was

1556
00:59:25,250 --> 00:59:22,260
absolutely petrified there's this guy

1557
00:59:28,849 --> 00:59:25,260
again reported it to the police so that

1558
00:59:31,010 --> 00:59:28,859
whole area north from londondale up into

1559
00:59:33,530 --> 00:59:31,020
West Yorkshire there are there are

1560
00:59:35,329 --> 00:59:33,540
similar stories and you tend to get sort

1561
00:59:36,890 --> 00:59:35,339
of outbreaks where things will be seen

1562
00:59:39,049 --> 00:59:36,900
regularly for a few years and then

1563
00:59:41,329 --> 00:59:39,059
nothing will be seen for decades and

1564
00:59:42,829 --> 00:59:41,339
then things will be seen again which

1565
00:59:45,470 --> 00:59:42,839
again does suggest it's something

1566
00:59:48,349 --> 00:59:45,480
natural that's causing that yeah yeah

1567
00:59:50,510 --> 00:59:48,359
absolutely a couple more

1568
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:50,520
um Elena this I mean this is a big

1569
00:59:53,930 --> 00:59:52,319
question is there any way a

1570
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:53,940
technologically advanced civilization

1571
00:59:58,190 --> 00:59:56,400
could have used the natural battery to

1572
01:00:00,410 --> 00:59:58,200
power multi-dimensional Technologies

1573
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:00,420
potentially through our interaction with

1574
01:00:05,109 --> 01:00:02,880
consciousness

1575
01:00:08,030 --> 01:00:05,119
I guess it's a

1576
01:00:10,970 --> 01:00:08,040
I've no idea I can't answer that one I'm

1577
01:00:12,890 --> 01:00:10,980
afraid I mean this is when I was talking

1578
01:00:14,990 --> 01:00:12,900
earlier on site interrupt about the the

1579
01:00:17,630 --> 01:00:15,000
red light and the blue shift light that

1580
01:00:21,289 --> 01:00:17,640
we saw in Colombia that that has been

1581
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:21,299
associated with dimensional shift and so

1582
01:00:28,130 --> 01:00:25,200
I guess that could you know can we say

1583
01:00:30,770 --> 01:00:28,140
it for sure no can we say it's not no so

1584
01:00:32,569 --> 01:00:30,780
well I can only talk I mean that

1585
01:00:34,849 --> 01:00:32,579
question is freezing the very sort of

1586
01:00:37,069 --> 01:00:34,859
modern technological sort of way but as

1587
01:00:39,650 --> 01:00:37,079
a folklorist I can only sort of answer

1588
01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:39,660
it in a sort of folkloric way in the

1589
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:41,760
people in the past who saw these things

1590
01:00:47,270 --> 01:00:43,440
thought they were seeing things from

1591
01:00:49,910 --> 01:00:47,280
other dimensions I.E you know um people

1592
01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:49,920
who in the past who believed in the

1593
01:00:55,849 --> 01:00:53,520
being another world like Fairyland and

1594
01:00:57,829 --> 01:00:55,859
we came across these lights revolving

1595
01:00:59,569 --> 01:00:57,839
lights and things and there are the

1596
01:01:01,910 --> 01:00:59,579
stories about people being dragged into

1597
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:01,920
fairy rings and finding themselves in an

1598
01:01:06,410 --> 01:01:04,799
in like Fairyland again in their own way

1599
01:01:08,270 --> 01:01:06,420
they were talking about

1600
01:01:10,670 --> 01:01:08,280
um going almost down a portal into

1601
01:01:12,349 --> 01:01:10,680
another world so we expect we talk about

1602
01:01:14,030 --> 01:01:12,359
this now in a scientific and

1603
01:01:16,910 --> 01:01:14,040
technological way

1604
01:01:19,370 --> 01:01:16,920
yeah absolutely

1605
01:01:21,829 --> 01:01:19,380
um and then finally Yoni says probably

1606
01:01:23,089 --> 01:01:21,839
an absolute ridiculous question but has

1607
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:23,099
there been research with these lights

1608
01:01:28,130 --> 01:01:25,440
looking at bacteria or single cell-like

1609
01:01:29,690 --> 01:01:28,140
creatures uh there you go yes I mean

1610
01:01:32,329 --> 01:01:29,700
that's that's the theory that I

1611
01:01:33,470 --> 01:01:32,339
mentioned the extremophiles um thing I'm

1612
01:01:35,930 --> 01:01:33,480
trying to I'm trying to find the

1613
01:01:38,150 --> 01:01:35,940
reference it was it was published in a

1614
01:01:40,910 --> 01:01:38,160
in a scientific journal uh something

1615
01:01:42,589 --> 01:01:40,920
like nature or new scientists

1616
01:01:45,650 --> 01:01:42,599
um and um

1617
01:01:48,650 --> 01:01:45,660
ah here we go yeah 2014 paper in the

1618
01:01:51,049 --> 01:01:48,660
philosophical transactions of the Royal

1619
01:01:52,789 --> 01:01:51,059
Society by a guy called Howell Edwards

1620
01:01:55,309 --> 01:01:52,799
and I think you can download this if you

1621
01:01:59,450 --> 01:01:55,319
if you Google for it and he's talking

1622
01:02:03,410 --> 01:01:59,460
about the will of the Wisp and um

1623
01:02:06,170 --> 01:02:03,420
head Edwards um he he he compares the

1624
01:02:07,870 --> 01:02:06,180
elusive nature of these lies with recent

1625
01:02:10,130 --> 01:02:07,880
discoveries of organisms called

1626
01:02:12,170 --> 01:02:10,140
extremophiles that exist deep in the

1627
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:12,180
ocean in the ocean and in parts of

1628
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Antarctica and he speculates that

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01:02:18,829 --> 01:02:16,559
similar organisms organisms might be

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found on Mars and Europa which is

1631
01:02:23,450 --> 01:02:20,880
obviously the two of the two of the

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01:02:26,210 --> 01:02:23,460
places where where NASA and some of the

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01:02:28,430 --> 01:02:26,220
are looking for evidence of

1634
01:02:29,450 --> 01:02:28,440
um life outside the Earth

1635
01:02:31,430 --> 01:02:29,460
um

1636
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:31,440
they've actually found traces of

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phosphine and methane

1638
01:02:39,650 --> 01:02:36,780
um which again would suggest very basic

1639
01:02:41,530 --> 01:02:39,660
life forms so you know maybe there is a

1640
01:02:44,450 --> 01:02:41,540
connection there I don't know

1641
01:02:46,970 --> 01:02:44,460
this is what keeps me um involved in

1642
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:46,980
this subject because it's it just opens

1643
01:02:50,809 --> 01:02:48,240
your mind up to all these amazing

1644
01:02:52,430 --> 01:02:50,819
possibilities yeah absolutely I mean the

1645
01:02:54,049 --> 01:02:52,440
more I research and the more you come

1646
01:02:56,690 --> 01:02:54,059
across these different aspects of the

1647
01:02:59,690 --> 01:02:56,700
phenomena more questions are raised

1648
01:03:01,730 --> 01:02:59,700
which makes you know more research more

1649
01:03:04,190 --> 01:03:01,740
work and and just it just sucks you in

1650
01:03:06,109 --> 01:03:04,200
even further but that I mean that was a

1651
01:03:07,849 --> 01:03:06,119
great conversation and and yeah I mean

1652
01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:07,859
we could probably talk about all the

1653
01:03:11,690 --> 01:03:09,119
different

1654
01:03:13,069 --> 01:03:11,700
cases throughout the world but I think

1655
01:03:14,930 --> 01:03:13,079
you know it was good to pick up on

1656
01:03:16,549 --> 01:03:14,940
something local to us as well I mean

1657
01:03:18,829 --> 01:03:16,559
it's making me considered maybe next

1658
01:03:21,230 --> 01:03:18,839
year going out to spend a few days in

1659
01:03:22,670 --> 01:03:21,240
londondale Wild camping or something and

1660
01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:22,680
it would be worth it wouldn't it and if

1661
01:03:28,970 --> 01:03:25,200
it were possible to install a um you

1662
01:03:31,309 --> 01:03:28,980
know like a um a webcam somewhere in in

1663
01:03:33,230 --> 01:03:31,319
the right Zone you know like you see on

1664
01:03:35,089 --> 01:03:33,240
Spring watch where they have these

1665
01:03:36,670 --> 01:03:35,099
little cameras and the the detect

1666
01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:36,680
movement and you get all these like

1667
01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:39,839
foxes and things that are picked up why

1668
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:41,760
can't we do that in londondale and have

1669
01:03:44,450 --> 01:03:43,680
something that's looking for these these

1670
01:03:46,430 --> 01:03:44,460
lights

1671
01:03:47,930 --> 01:03:46,440
no absolutely that's what we plan on

1672
01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:47,940
doing Columbia next year we're getting

1673
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:50,160
some trail cams some sense motion sensor

1674
01:03:55,010 --> 01:03:52,079
trail cams set up on top of the mountain

1675
01:03:56,930 --> 01:03:55,020
just in case there are humans up there

1676
01:03:59,569 --> 01:03:56,940
at night trying to you know Connors and

1677
01:04:02,150 --> 01:03:59,579
that so yeah because at least eliminate

1678
01:04:03,589 --> 01:04:02,160
some of the possible explanations well

1679
01:04:05,690 --> 01:04:03,599
I'll tell you what we could do Dave we

1680
01:04:07,309 --> 01:04:05,700
could go there we could go up there next

1681
01:04:10,670 --> 01:04:07,319
year and I could do one of these like a

1682
01:04:13,030 --> 01:04:10,680
12-hour live stream yeah well we'd have

1683
01:04:15,770 --> 01:04:13,040
to wrap up warm

1684
01:04:17,450 --> 01:04:15,780
yeah no I don't think we get that many

1685
01:04:19,390 --> 01:04:17,460
viewers after a few hours that's for

1686
01:04:21,950 --> 01:04:19,400
sure but anyway

1687
01:04:24,530 --> 01:04:21,960
well listen thank you so much I really

1688
01:04:26,569 --> 01:04:24,540
appreciate you coming on as always

1689
01:04:28,609 --> 01:04:26,579
um before we go I just want to say to

1690
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:28,619
everybody if you wanted to read David's

1691
01:04:33,289 --> 01:04:30,480
article on the light phenomena in 14

1692
01:04:35,990 --> 01:04:33,299
times it's only available in physical

1693
01:04:38,569 --> 01:04:36,000
form it's not available online it's in

1694
01:04:41,270 --> 01:04:38,579
the September 2022 issue which can be

1695
01:04:44,270 --> 01:04:41,280
ordered online you know back issues uh

1696
01:04:46,430 --> 01:04:44,280
for anybody that wants to watch our

1697
01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:46,440
uh documentary series from Columbia

1698
01:04:51,470 --> 01:04:48,960
phenomenology the link is in the

1699
01:04:53,809 --> 01:04:51,480
description now and also there is a 25

1700
01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:53,819
off discount code which is only

1701
01:04:57,589 --> 01:04:55,920
available for a limited time I think

1702
01:04:59,329 --> 01:04:57,599
till the end of the year so only a few

1703
01:05:01,309 --> 01:04:59,339
more days

1704
01:05:04,010 --> 01:05:01,319
um and we are going back out in April

1705
01:05:06,289 --> 01:05:04,020
next year to continue that so I hope you

1706
01:05:07,549 --> 01:05:06,299
guys enjoyed this uh Show on Earth

1707
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:07,559
lights

1708
01:05:10,549 --> 01:05:09,119
um like I said it's certainly a really

1709
01:05:12,770 --> 01:05:10,559
interesting aspect of the phenomena

1710
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:12,780
that's really captured me

1711
01:05:17,870 --> 01:05:15,119
and yeah that's about it I think

1712
01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:17,880
thank you and happy New Year yeah happy

1713
01:05:23,329 --> 01:05:20,240
New Year everyone right yeah

1714
01:05:24,589 --> 01:05:23,339
2023. yeah thank you to everybody in the

1715
01:05:26,390 --> 01:05:24,599
live chat as always for being here

1716
01:05:29,450 --> 01:05:26,400
everyone that listens or watches after

1717
01:05:31,609 --> 01:05:29,460
the fact thank you also and I'll see you

1718
01:05:33,589 --> 01:05:31,619
now yeah I think this was the last show

1719
01:05:35,630 --> 01:05:33,599
of 2022 I'll be back in the New Year

1720
01:05:37,549 --> 01:05:35,640
I've got all sorts coming up so go and

1721
01:05:40,190 --> 01:05:37,559
check it out go and follow me on all my

1722
01:05:41,750 --> 01:05:40,200
socials links to follow David as well on

1723
01:05:43,010 --> 01:05:41,760
his blog his Twitter are in the

1724
01:05:44,870 --> 01:05:43,020
description as well

1725
01:05:47,690 --> 01:05:44,880
I think that covers it guys so for now